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		<title>By: eastriver</title>
		<link>http://tugster.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/other-peoples-fotos-11/#comment-15300</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, as this is a maritime blog, I feel unrestrained in saying that this comment is unmitigated bullshit.

Let&#039;s remember that we import more stuff than anyone else. 

The ONLY beneficiary to larger, deeper-draft vessels are vessel owners. No one else. The cost to us in dredging and maintenance comes nowhere near close to the diminished cost to consumers of product delivered.  Larger vessels allow shipowners to run less vessels, thus diminished fuel and operation and crew costs 

And let&#039;s not forget that absolutely none of these monster ships are US flag. The cost to the owner thus is even less. Cheaper crew, cheaper safety compliance, cheaper regulation. And what happens when something goes wrong on these behemoths? Reduced crew could not even think to do what crews used to be able to do to save a ship -- remember stories of crews lashing ships together and pouring cement into deck cracks? Effectively fighting massive fires? Not happening today, folks. Not enough people. Not enough training. And at the wages they are paid, no personal investment in much of anything. They&#039;ll just get the hell off.

So they want to go to Halifax, instead? Let &#039;em. Look at a map. There are no decent rail or road links from there to anywhere... what&#039;ll they do then?

Lest you think I&#039;m some sort of frothing fool, no less folks than those who write for the Clay Maitland blog -- maritime establishment personified -- are saying the same sort of thing (though conservatively, of course). Here&#039;s just one:
http://www.claymaitland.com/2011/12/09/salvage-where-the-unthinkable-often-becomes-a-reality/

And don&#039;t even get me started on cruise ships:
http://www.claymaitland.com/2012/01/27/balancing-size-and-safety/

I&#039;d be very happy to see a national limit on dredging of bluewater ports, to 40-45 ft or so. That&#039;ll handle our aircraft carriers. Want more? Tough. Run more ships.

It&#039;s past time to just say no.

(Oh, I forgot the raise-the-bridge thing. Screw that, too.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as this is a maritime blog, I feel unrestrained in saying that this comment is unmitigated bullshit.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s remember that we import more stuff than anyone else. </p>
<p>The ONLY beneficiary to larger, deeper-draft vessels are vessel owners. No one else. The cost to us in dredging and maintenance comes nowhere near close to the diminished cost to consumers of product delivered.  Larger vessels allow shipowners to run less vessels, thus diminished fuel and operation and crew costs </p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget that absolutely none of these monster ships are US flag. The cost to the owner thus is even less. Cheaper crew, cheaper safety compliance, cheaper regulation. And what happens when something goes wrong on these behemoths? Reduced crew could not even think to do what crews used to be able to do to save a ship &#8212; remember stories of crews lashing ships together and pouring cement into deck cracks? Effectively fighting massive fires? Not happening today, folks. Not enough people. Not enough training. And at the wages they are paid, no personal investment in much of anything. They&#8217;ll just get the hell off.</p>
<p>So they want to go to Halifax, instead? Let &#8216;em. Look at a map. There are no decent rail or road links from there to anywhere&#8230; what&#8217;ll they do then?</p>
<p>Lest you think I&#8217;m some sort of frothing fool, no less folks than those who write for the Clay Maitland blog &#8212; maritime establishment personified &#8212; are saying the same sort of thing (though conservatively, of course). Here&#8217;s just one:<br />
<a href="http://www.claymaitland.com/2011/12/09/salvage-where-the-unthinkable-often-becomes-a-reality/" rel="nofollow">http://www.claymaitland.com/2011/12/09/salvage-where-the-unthinkable-often-becomes-a-reality/</a></p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even get me started on cruise ships:<br />
<a href="http://www.claymaitland.com/2012/01/27/balancing-size-and-safety/" rel="nofollow">http://www.claymaitland.com/2012/01/27/balancing-size-and-safety/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very happy to see a national limit on dredging of bluewater ports, to 40-45 ft or so. That&#8217;ll handle our aircraft carriers. Want more? Tough. Run more ships.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s past time to just say no.</p>
<p>(Oh, I forgot the raise-the-bridge thing. Screw that, too.)</p>
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		<title>By: tugster</title>
		<link>http://tugster.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/other-peoples-fotos-11/#comment-15292</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mage-- and your friend felt satisfied?  hospitable climate for tourists?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mage&#8211; and your friend felt satisfied?  hospitable climate for tourists?</p>
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		<title>By: Mage Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tugster.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/other-peoples-fotos-11/#comment-15290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mage Bailey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend just came back from a land tour of the Panama Canal that included both sides, all the locks, the museum, and a boat ride on the big lake.  There are a lot listed on Google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend just came back from a land tour of the Panama Canal that included both sides, all the locks, the museum, and a boat ride on the big lake.  There are a lot listed on Google.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hindin</title>
		<link>http://tugster.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/other-peoples-fotos-11/#comment-15288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hindin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Found a current schedule for NYK METEOR

http://www.oocl.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/OOCL/eServices/Sailing%20Schedule%20by%20Service/NCE%20_LT.pdf

Vessel Name                     NYK METEOR
Vessel/Voyage                   NMT 024 

Port                                  Arr--Dep  
----------------------------------------------
Busan                               01--02 Jan  
Qingdao                            04--04 Jan  
Ningbo                              06--07 Jan  
Shanghai                          07--08 Jan  
Balboa                              28--28 Jan  
New York                          02--03 Feb  
Norfolk                             04--04 Feb  
Savannah                         06--07 Feb  
Manzanillo(Panama)          11--11 Feb  
Busan                              04--05 Mar  
Ningbo                             06--07 Mar  
Shanghai                          07-- Mar]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found a current schedule for NYK METEOR</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oocl.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/OOCL/eServices/Sailing%20Schedule%20by%20Service/NCE%20_LT.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.oocl.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/OOCL/eServices/Sailing%20Schedule%20by%20Service/NCE%20_LT.pdf</a></p>
<p>Vessel Name                     NYK METEOR<br />
Vessel/Voyage                   NMT 024 </p>
<p>Port                                  Arr&#8211;Dep<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Busan                               01&#8211;02 Jan<br />
Qingdao                            04&#8211;04 Jan<br />
Ningbo                              06&#8211;07 Jan<br />
Shanghai                          07&#8211;08 Jan<br />
Balboa                              28&#8211;28 Jan<br />
New York                          02&#8211;03 Feb<br />
Norfolk                             04&#8211;04 Feb<br />
Savannah                         06&#8211;07 Feb<br />
Manzanillo(Panama)          11&#8211;11 Feb<br />
Busan                              04&#8211;05 Mar<br />
Ningbo                             06&#8211;07 Mar<br />
Shanghai                          07&#8211; Mar</p>
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		<title>By: David Hindin</title>
		<link>http://tugster.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/other-peoples-fotos-11/#comment-15287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hindin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;One is NYK Meteor, which I got fotos of eight days ago exiting the KVK.  Is this possible?&quot;

A little creative work at marine traffic.com (time sensitive links) starting here:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=354212000
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/datasheet.aspx?datasource=ITINERARIES&amp;MMSI=354212000

NYK METEOR (MMSI:354212000)
Arrived New York Container Terminal, Elisabethport Reach at about 1100 EST on 2/2
Departed  New York Container Terminal, Elisabethport Reach at about 1000 EST on 2/3
Enteried KVK at about 1105 EST on 2/3 (5.0 kn)
Departed KVK at about 1129 EST on 2/3 (7.1 kn)

Without providing details, she also apparently stopped in Norfolk on 2/4 and Savannah 2/6-7 before arriving at Colon on 2/10 in the evening, local time, transiting the Canal on 2/11 to Balboa, and then departing for Pusan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One is NYK Meteor, which I got fotos of eight days ago exiting the KVK.  Is this possible?&#8221;</p>
<p>A little creative work at marine traffic.com (time sensitive links) starting here:<br />
<a href="http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=354212000" rel="nofollow">http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=354212000</a><br />
<a href="http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/datasheet.aspx?datasource=ITINERARIES&#038;MMSI=354212000" rel="nofollow">http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/datasheet.aspx?datasource=ITINERARIES&#038;MMSI=354212000</a></p>
<p>NYK METEOR (MMSI:354212000)<br />
Arrived New York Container Terminal, Elisabethport Reach at about 1100 EST on 2/2<br />
Departed  New York Container Terminal, Elisabethport Reach at about 1000 EST on 2/3<br />
Enteried KVK at about 1105 EST on 2/3 (5.0 kn)<br />
Departed KVK at about 1129 EST on 2/3 (7.1 kn)</p>
<p>Without providing details, she also apparently stopped in Norfolk on 2/4 and Savannah 2/6-7 before arriving at Colon on 2/10 in the evening, local time, transiting the Canal on 2/11 to Balboa, and then departing for Pusan.</p>
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		<title>By: tugster</title>
		<link>http://tugster.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/other-peoples-fotos-11/#comment-15281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tugster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[harold-- thanks for the links and sentiments.  a thought is to go twice maybe, once now and then again after the traffic has changed post-completion.  wanna come with?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harold&#8211; thanks for the links and sentiments.  a thought is to go twice maybe, once now and then again after the traffic has changed post-completion.  wanna come with?</p>
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		<title>By: Harold E. Tartell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harold E. Tartell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait until 2014, when the expansion is completed.  Ships larger than the current Panamax ships will be transiting the canal and headed for US Southern and other ports.  While the &quot;Blowhole&quot; politicians in Washington are trying to find ways to fix the economy, their eyes, ears, and minds are closed to this at present until it smacks them in the face and they finally face reality when it may be too late.  Are our ports in shape to accommodate these larger vessels?  Are the ports going to be able to handle the increase in the flow of traffic?  This should be their focus at present to boost our failing economy which is this country&#039;s chance to get  &quot;OUT OF THE HOLE.&quot;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_expansion_project, http://www.pancanal.com/eng/expansion/, http://www.panama-guide.com/canal/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait until 2014, when the expansion is completed.  Ships larger than the current Panamax ships will be transiting the canal and headed for US Southern and other ports.  While the &#8220;Blowhole&#8221; politicians in Washington are trying to find ways to fix the economy, their eyes, ears, and minds are closed to this at present until it smacks them in the face and they finally face reality when it may be too late.  Are our ports in shape to accommodate these larger vessels?  Are the ports going to be able to handle the increase in the flow of traffic?  This should be their focus at present to boost our failing economy which is this country&#8217;s chance to get  &#8220;OUT OF THE HOLE.&#8221;  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_expansion_project" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_expansion_project</a>, <a href="http://www.pancanal.com/eng/expansion/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pancanal.com/eng/expansion/</a>, <a href="http://www.panama-guide.com/canal/" rel="nofollow">http://www.panama-guide.com/canal/</a></p>
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		<title>By: denko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[denko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let us know what you find out about the Panama Canal for tourists. Can&#039;t wait to read your posts from Panama.

Panama: Home of great surfing and great dental work. Not as cheap as it used to be, unfortunately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us know what you find out about the Panama Canal for tourists. Can&#8217;t wait to read your posts from Panama.</p>
<p>Panama: Home of great surfing and great dental work. Not as cheap as it used to be, unfortunately.</p>
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